Monday, October 12, 2015

My History In and Out of the LDS

I was raised with no religious belief system, although I had learned there was a God and was given a KJV Bible for Christmas 1959 when I was 7.  For a short time while I was elementary-aged, my mother sent us to Vacation Bible School, so I did learn some Bible stories, and the public schools back then still did Christmas programs.  So I learned about some guy named Jesus who was born to a virgin (whatever that was) and as he got old he carried around a lamb.  Some guy named Noah had a big boat full of animals and some guy named Jonah got swallowed by a whale.  Stuff like that.  The last time I saw a church I was about 11.  Then my parents divorced.  My mom got the 3 girls, my dad got us two boys.  So that was the end of my religious experience. 

My Dad met a Mormon lady when we moved to Colorado and she led him to join the Mormon church.  At that time I was 12, so I had no idea what it was except that my Dad talked about going to church.  Although he took my brother once or twice (if I remember right), he never took me to church, nor did he talk about what they taught or did there.

Because we moved from place to place and ended up in housing projects, where we were the only "Anglos" in a Mexican environment and so got ganged up on and beat up regularly, I often wondered if there was such a thing as God.

When I was in my 11th year of school (16 years old)  I read a new book by Erich Von Daniken titled, "Chariots of the Gods."  I sat with my KJV Bible and began looking at it  - as revealed to me in that book.  I accepted everything Von Daniken said (I had been a dedicated Sci-Fi fan for years) as the true interpretation of the Bible: God was a spaceman. This was my theology when I entered the Army at 18 years old in June of 1970.

During September 1970 I began training to be a Combat Engineer at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo.  I saw one of my platoon members, Ralph Bennett, taking a shower wearing funny-looking underwear, so I asked him about it and he told me it was his temple garment.  From that point on he began teaching me about the LDS church.  

Ralph was a musician, and he and I were selected for membership in the 1st EAIT Brigade Soldier's Chorus, which performed in the protestant chapel.  Ralph had written a piano piece about the First Vision, which he taped for me and I kept for a few years.  Anyway, since I knew my Dad was a Mormon, I decided it must be a true faith.  And the idea of a god who was once a man, now living near the star Kolob, fit very well with my Sci-Fi theology.  So I readily accepted the faith and was baptized that November.  If I rightly recall, we had someone pick us up and take us to town for the ceremony, since there was no LDS church on post. 

From that point on I studied my Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and Pearl Of Great Price regularly.  I had been given two little pocket-sized books, specially made for military guys, which I kept in my ammo pouch during field exercises over the next year.  (I gave my pocket BOM to a Mormon lady almost 20 years later, and the other little book, "Principles of the Gospel," I still have - as well as my original D&C). It was very difficult to attend Mormon services while training at Ft. Leonard Wood, and I really don't remember much, except that Ralph and I regularly went to the Protestant Chapel but did our own studying together in our barracks.  He taught me much about the faith; he had been a missionary prior to joining the Army, and was probably the most devout Mormon I ever knew.  He had open heart surgery as a child, which prevented him from participating in a lot of activities, so he mastered the piano and learned his theology. 

Ralph and I transferred to Ft. Benning, GA, together for Jump School at the end of November.  Due to an Army foul-up, I got dropped from the class and was rescheduled for the next one.  When Ralph finished his three weeks it was the last time I ever saw him, although we kept in touch by mail for almost another year.  

I really don't remember my church life at Ft. Benning except that I continued studying my BOM, D&C and POGP.  My class was not to start until the first week of Jan 1971, so I had a month doing guard duty and KP.  I remember going to church with Ralph until his departure, but I don't think it was on post - those times of my life are sort of hazy.  I do remember taking the Sacrament.

On Christmas Eve, 1970, I was on overnight guard duty at the property disposal branch.  It was a very clear, cold night.  I had my cassette player in my field jacket with an earphone, and I was playing Ralph's tape which included the piece about the First Vision, and I got on my knees and prayed to God that he would reveal Himself to me like He did to Joseph Smith.  My prayer was answered the following year -- just not the way I expected. 

I also remember a Captain who was part of our group of Mormons (not that many) who helped me out during Christmas time.  I was flat broke as a private making about $100 per month and I had the week after Christmas off.  When this captain discovered I was staying on post because of my lack of funds, he had me over to his house with his family one night and then gave me money to pay for a round-trip bus fare to go home to Springfield, OH, to spend time with my mom. 

Jump school commenced in January with the largest class in history, beginning with 1500 and ending with 1000 of us graduating on the drop zone.  During this time Ralph had gone to Ft. Bragg for Special Forces training and suffered a heart attack, which led to a trip to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC, and then he was given a medical discharge.  I finished Jump School the last week of January and was sent to Ft. Bragg, NC, where I stayed until leaving the Army four years later.

There were no other Mormons in my unit, and I had difficulty getting transport into town for services.  I mostly just studied my books, practiced the Word of Wisdom, and communicated regularly with Ralph, while attending services was infrequent.
  
Late that summer/early fall - I think it was about September 1971 - I was in town on a Saturday with some friends and I went into a Christian book store.  There I found, in a tract rack, a tract that was titled "What Mormons Believe," and I believe it was by Walter Martin. This tract raised several questions in my mind, since the author was presenting passages from the Bible compared to LDS teachings on various subjects.  Two things that I remember as standing out were the fact that God had sex with Mary to provide the body for Jesus to take on, and that Jesus and Satan were brothers.  By logic, Jesus and Satan had to be brothers by the pre-existence doctrine, but I guess I had never given that aspect much thought and now it bothered me.  As for Mary, she was supposed to be a virgin when she conceived, since that is what I knew of the Christmas story.  

When I did talk to the men at church (ranks, positions I cannot remember), I was told to quit reading "anti-Mormon propaganda."  I was told that Mary was a virgin to mortal man, but that God was immortal.  This disturbed me greatly because I don't care how you slice it, once a woman has had sex, with mortal or immortal man, she is no longer a virgin and there is nothing miraculous about the birth.  I wrote Ralph with my concerns and got the same responses as the church leaders gave me - not much more than a brush off.   So I pursued the Scriptures more and more (thank God for that Gideon’s New Testament I got upon entering service, since my old Bible had been left home), and was more and more puzzled by what I found. 

Over the next few months I gave up going to church and spent more time studying the BOM compared to the Bible, and I had my mom send me my Bible so I would have the O.T. also.  I went to the library on post and found a book that you would label "anti-Mormon," and it gave what I considered solid evidence as to the history of Joseph Smith's necromancy, the fraudulent nature of his claims to have spoken to God, as well as problems with the BOM.  By March of 1972 I decided I no longer believed in the LDS faith and told Ralph as much.  I didn't hear from him again until much later when I got the announcement of his marriage in the Salt Lake City Temple. 

I never again attended worship at an LDS church, and in fact I gave up on religion altogether because I didn't want to be taken in by another false system.  I got drunk once (and it was really bad - a fifth of Southern Comfort Whiskey chased with a large part of a fifth of Vodka, and then prayed to a God I wasn't sure existed that if he didn't let me die I would never drink again. I lived and never again drank alcohol.), got into pornography, and became a foul-mouthed GI in rebellion against this God who would let me get suckered into a cult. 

Since my arrival at Ft. Bragg I had been in B Company of the 27th Engineer Battalion (Combat)(Airborne) as a demolition specialist, and had excelled at all my duties, including graduating number one from a leadership academy, and winning Soldier of the Month at Battalion and Regiment levels.  This gave me a reputation for being a top-notch soldier.   My platoon sergeant was transferred to Headquarters Company as the Operations Sergeant, and when his clerk got out of the Army he asked me to replace him.  This job would relieve me of guard duty and K.P. and I would be given a “Top Secret” clearance, so I took the job and was attached to HQ as the Operations and Training Clerk in March of 1973.

My desk was by the front door, and everyone coming in had to pass by me.  The Battalion Training Sergeant was a young man named Daniel Cook, and he was a Christian.  Every morning he would pass my desk with, “Good morning, Chatfield” (and later “Good morning, Glenn”) and I would always respond with, “What’s so *%$^((*& good about it?”  To which Dan would kindly respond with, “This is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.”

This would always irritate me to where I would mock him.  I thought he was some sort of Jesus freak, but he was a very nice guy nevertheless.  Sometimes I would take my lunch to my office and be alone reading a “girlie” magazine when he would come by and tell me how that magazine would “rot” my brain.

One day early in the fall Dan invited me to play soccer with a bunch of his friends on the weekend, and he said they’d teach me how.  So I went, and over the next few weeks became an excellent goalie.  The one thing that was strange was that they always prayed before playing, and Dan told me their group was called the Navigators.  

It was sometime in November that Dan invited me to a Bible study with the Navigator group.  I told him about my Mormon experience and that I wasn’t interested, but he convinced me that they (his Bible study group) could demonstrate that they had the truth, and that they were not a cult.  So I went to the meetings, and they were careful to show the context of everything.  I finally decided that what they were teaching was indeed true and I finally accepted Jesus as my savior, and was born again in January of 1974. 

Since that time my heart has been for the Mormons, to hopefully lead them to the truth as I meet them. I began studying the LDS faith in depth after leaving the Army, and have acquired a substantial library of official Mormon materials, let alone also lots of what you would label "anti-Mormon."

I was never excommunicated because I just quit going to church. I never asked to have my name removed from the records of the LDS church, although I suppose I should have - I have often thought about it but haven't bothered to go about the process. 

So, was I an authentic Mormon? Well, my experience and dedication would say that I certainly was. You may want to dispute that because of my short duration (about 1 1/2 years) and you are welcome to your opinion. 


Monday, September 14, 2015

Random Articles from Mormonism Research Ministry

I’ve been sort of busy with so many other things these past few weeks (such as with my apologetics blog) that I’ve not had a chance to post articles here.  I have, however, been collecting links to good articles which expose the Mormon Church for the fraud that it is.

Now, I know anyone can to to Mormonism Research Ministry’s web site or their blog site and read search for various articles, but to save time I want to point out specific subjects of interest so as to get more people informed for countering the false teachings of the LDS.

A story I had never before heard or read is “The Transfiguration of Brigham Young.”  The myths that the LDS develop can be quite amusing.  But then, the whole church is built on myths and lies.

There is not one bit of evidence from history or archaeology to verify the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.  Nothing.  But facts have never stood in the way of Mormons.

More information about Joseph Smith’s use of a “seer stone.”  (Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry also has a short article on this topic.)

Mormons abuse the Bible (of course) to “prove” they are the one and only true Christian church.  A commenter on a blog I follow posted a list of items which if any other church fulfilled he would leave the LDS, but the list he gave was all done by abusing Scripture so as to fit only the LDS.  This article on Mormon Coffee has a similar list, which the blog addresses as to why they are abusing the Bible.

One of the earlier articles I wrote for this blog was “The Non-Virgin Virgin Mary of Mormonism.”  This article pretty much summed up all the teachings from various Mormon leaders about how Mary had sexual intercourse with “God the Father” in order to provide normal conception for Jesus.  Mormon Coffee posted a short article about the same topic, ending with a link to the same article I used as my reference.

One of the things I’ve pointed out in LDS teaching is their need to be humble for salvation, and yet the humility they are required to demonstrate is something really unattainable.  Just when are they “sufficiently humble”?

Mormons will always press you to read the Book of Mormon and the pray about it to receive a testimony as to its veracity.  If you don’t come to the right conclusion, it is because of YOUR lack of faith, YOUR lack of sincerity, etc.  It is NEVER, according to the Mormons, due to the fraudulent nature of the BOM.  Excellent article about this issue can be found here.

Wednesday, August 5, 2015

Random Articles About The Latter-day Saints

The first three articles for today are at Mormon Coffee, the blog of Mormonism Research Ministry.

First, here is a video which demonstrates the real differences between Biblical/Christian salvation and Mormon “eternal life.”  The former is real while the later is non-existent.

You really have to feel sorry for those deceived Mormons. They all look to their temples, and desire to be able to be temple worthy — especially those who want to be married “eternally” in their temples.  But, the list of requirements necessary to qualify makes it very difficult to get a “temple recommend”.  Consequently, a huge majority of LDS members will never have the opportunity to attend any service or work in a temple.  This is why there are HUGE numbers of Mormons who visit new temples before they’ve been consecrated (they are also open to the public for tours, and I toured the Nauvoo Temple in 2002).  The carrot is always there, but never able to be eaten by these people.  How sad for them never to fulfill their religious desires — and how sad that they don’t realize that this is just a part of their false belief system which keeps them from real salvation.

Very, very interesting story about the whole history behind the Book of Mormon plates.  It’s a 46-minute video, but well worth it.   How Mormons can watch this story and not understand the fraudulent nature of the BOM story and the entire lie of the LDS church is beyond me.  They remain deceived because they are invested in the lie and can’t admit they’ve been had.

The sad fact of the Mormon view of salvation is that it is extremely complex, and one can really never know if they are saved.  Midwest Christian Outreach apologetics ministry for many years has a good almost quarterly journal, one of the issues of which had an excellent article on the LDS salvation teaching.  It is now on-line here.

Of course for the LDS, the “First Vision” is the foundation of their belief system.  If that “First Vision” never happened, then their entire system is fraudulent.  I’ve give brief examinations into the “First Vision” story in previous articles, demonstrating how many versions of the “First Vision” there really are, which alone demonstrates it was made up years after the fact.  The Utah Lighthouse Ministry has a good synopsis of the “Evolution of the First Vision and Teaching on God in Early Mormonism.”

One has to wonder why the Mormon Church is now releasing photos of Joseph Smith’s “seer stone.”  I guess they don’t see a problem with Smith needing an occultic device for “translating” the Book of Mormon.  I’d sure like them to give a biblical example where a seer stone is used by any of God’s people.

Mormons are always asking people to read the Book of Mormon and then pray to God about it to see if it is true.  I’ve always said that is analogous to praying to God to see if it is okay to commit adultery.  This article tells you why we should NOT pray about it.

Tuesday, July 28, 2015

How To Handle Demons

Now I will tell you, I have about a hundred shots on hand all the time -- three or four fifteen shooters and three or four revolvers, right here in the room where I sleep; and the Devil does not like to sleep there, for he is afraid they will go off half-cocked.

If you will lay a bowie knife or a loaded revolver under your pillow every night, you will not have many unpleasant dreams, nor be troubled with the nightmare; for there is nothing that the Devil is so much afraid of as a weapon of death.

President Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p.164.  Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.190


Wow, Satan is easily overthrown by mere pistols and knives!  Who'd a-thunk!

Friday, July 24, 2015

Did They Really Say That?!?

If our Father and God should be disposed to walk through one of these aisles [SLC Tabernacle], we should not know him from one of the congregation.  You would see a man.

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, pg.40. Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.186

I don't know about you, but I want to worship a God who is different from me!

Wednesday, July 22, 2015

Compressed Spirits Forget Pre-Existent Past

“When all these spirits [of God’s heaven-born spirit children] were sent forth from the eternal worlds, they were, no doubt, not infants; but when they entered into the infant tabernacle [body], they were under necessity, the same as our Lord and Savior, of being compressed, or diminished in size so that their spirits could be enclosed in infant tabernacles.

When Jesus was born into our world, His previous knowledge was taken from Him.  This was occasioned by His spiritual body being compressed into a smaller volume than it originally occupied. . . .  When this spirit was compressed, so as to be wholly enclosed in an infant tabernacle, it had a tendency to suspend memory. . . .

So it is with man.  When he enters a body of flesh, his spirit is so compressed and contracted in infancy that he forgets his former existence.”

Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, pg.334. Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.186


Spirits, having no real dimension, do not need to be compressed or compacted to fit anywhere.  And what biblical evidence do they have for any of this nonsense, especially since the Bible denies spiritual pre-existence (1 Cor. 15:44-46 — natural FIRST!)?  This story was obviously concocted to respond to questions about why we don’t remember pre-existing.

The convoluted stories cultists have to come up with to defend their false beliefs can be downright humorous!

Thursday, July 16, 2015

Did They Really Say That?!?

Adam was an immortal being when he came on this earth.  He had lived on an earth similar to ours, he had received the Priesthood and the Keys thereof, and he had been faithful in all things and gained his resurrection and his exaltation and was crowned with glory, immortality and eternal lives and was numbered with the Gods for such he became through his faithfulness. And he had begotten all the spirits that were to come to this earth.  And Eve, our common mother, who is the mother of all living, bore these spirits in the Celestial world, and then this earth was organized by Elohim, Jehovah, and Michael, who is Adam, our common Father.  Adam and Eve had the privilege to continue the work of progression, consequently came to this earth and commenced the great work of forming tabernacles for those spirits to dwell in.
L. John Nuttall Journal, 7 February 1877, 1:19 as recorded in Michael/Adam by Ogden Kraut.  Nuttall was Brigham Young’s secretary and one of his closest friends.  Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.185


This is plainly the teaching of the Adam-God doctrine which the LDS claim was just Brigham Young’s idea and not from God.  Of course Young said he got the teaching from God, but I guess that doesn’t count when one is embarrassed by the teaching. 

So the current theology of the LDS has God the Father as the origin of all the spirits, whereas here we see it is Adam who is the origin.  Additionally, whereas Michael in the Bible is an angel, which is a separate creation than man, this teaching has a man — Adam — being also Michael!

Notice how Adam had to work his way to godhood, and they previously lived on another planet.  The Bible knows absolutely NOTHING about such nonsense.  This teaching is about as convoluted as it gets.


Wednesday, July 8, 2015

Round Up of Recent “Mormon Coffee” Articles


I haven’t had a chance to post new stuff, and here it is already time for the best of the most recent Mormon Coffee articles.

Does the Mormon Church teach that Jesus was married?  Definitely.  BUT, as with so many doctrines which embarrass them now, this is one which is denied.

What is the real Mormon view of the bible?

I was amused by this question:  “How was Joseph Smith’s seer stone like a smart phone?”

What defines Mormonism as a cult in relation to Christianity?

Read why Isaac Hale was not happy even seven years after Joseph Smith took off with his daughter against his wishes.

Mormons often fall in love with stories told by the Mormon Church, which are to help them in their faith.  The problem is, the Church doesn’t tell their members that these stories are not always true.

Brigham Young’s test of a prophet does not agree with the Bible’s test.


Thursday, June 25, 2015

Mormon Christ Is Not Real

If the Christ of a Mormon is not the one true God (John 17:3) who is eternal (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8-12; 5:6; 13:8), the object of worship is a creature and worship itself becomes idolatry.  If the Christ of a Mormon is a spirit-child who has been procreated -- like countless other spirit children by the flesh-and-bone Father and one of his wives -- then he is not uniquely of the same nature as the Father, as Bible and the historic church teach.  If the [Mormon] Christ is our finite brother, not different in kind from us, he is therefore not uniquely Immanuel -- "God with us" (Matthew 1:23).  The Christ of the Bible is the unique God-man -- incarnate, crucified, and risen once-for-all.  Only if He was infinite God in human flesh could His blood have infinite value for the justification of all the billions of people who have ever sinned.

Gordon Lewis, cited by Ron Rhodes in, The Culting of America, p.94.

Monday, June 15, 2015

Did They Really Say That?!?


Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. . . . this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians . . . is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers, . . .  Why do we believe in and practice polygamy?  Because the Lord introduced it . . . and the Lord’s servants have always practiced it.  “And is that religion popular in heaven?”  It is the only popular religion there.
Brigham Young, Desert News, 6 August 1862

The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p.269.

So is monogamy really the invention of men?  What about Genesis 2:21-24 where God made ONE woman for Adam? See my article, “God’s View of Polygamy” for the correct information as to God’s desires.

Additionally, Jacob 1:15 in the Book of Mormon calls polygamy a “wicked practice,” and Jacob 2:24 has God saying having multiple wives and concubines is abominable.  In Jacob 2:27 it says, “For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none.”  This is reiterated in Jacob 3:5.  


So did the Mormon god change his mind?