Did HE Really Say That?!?

God having created all men and women, had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and pleasure: He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for his own conduct. 

It was also lawful in Him, after having thus dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband.

Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.

 Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg 158, 1853

I’ve pretty much covered the problem with Mormonism’s Non-Virgin Virgin Mary, but this citation from Pratt needs to be responded to.

Since the real God is not a mere man who earned his way to godhood, he cannot have a human wife. 

Secondly, if their man-god did have sex with Mary, as they teach, then she was not a virgin at conception. 

Thirdly, as many “anti-Mormons” have pointed out, Mary was the daughter of the man-god and for him to have sex with her it would be nothing more than incest, which the REAL God forbids.

Lastly, aside from the other unbiblical ideas in this statement by Pratt, the real God said there would be no marrying in heaven, so how could have multiple wives?!?

The really sad thing in regards to Pratt’s teaching is that it is indeed official LDS teaching, proving he wasn’t just come kook coming up with this ideology himself.

H/T: Life After Ministry.

Odds and Ends

It’s been a while since I posted a collection of links to good articles teaching you about Mormonism.  You will notice that the majority of the links are to articles on the excellent Life After Ministry blog.  If you have any interest in studying Mormonism, or if your are a Mormon seeking the truth about you faith, I highly recommend you subscribe to that blog.

Well, hold on to your seat, because here is some good reading by following these links.

Is Mormonism Christian? Are Mormons Christian?

The Gospel According to Mormonism.

The 2nd Most Stupid Quote of All Time.  This one really shows a major problem with LDS doctrine.

Investigating Mormonism 2019.  Good resource with a chart showing differences between Mormon doctrine and the Bible.

Colossians 1:16 succinctly states that Jesus created everything.  However, the Mormons claim this is not so. For them Michael the Archangel help Jesus, and then God the Father took over for the creation of man. The real conundrum for them is that they can’t even keep their creation story straight!

Did you know the most important goal for you to be saved, according to Mormons, is to get a temple recommend and perform temple rituals? How can this be true when the Bible says our most important goal for salvation is to place our faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice?

Salvation for the Mormons is really impossible. If you would like to see a more in-depth example of how a Mormon can never obtain forgiveness, read this article.

Did you know that the Mormons are still praying for vengeance against those who “persecuted” their Church in the 19th century? Of course if they would tell the truth, you’d learn that the vast majority of said persecution was responding to Mormon behaviors and threats against those among whom they settled!

The Mormons can’t settle on who that angel is who tops their temples. When you have a made-up religion, you really need to keep all your stories straight!

Here’s a look at a question I’ve thought about for a long time: how is Jesus the ONLY begotten in Pre-Existence? Thinking about this brought me back to another problem with the doctrine of Pre-Existence, and that is the problem of Mary: in the pre-existent spirit world she was a sister to Jesus and Satan, and everyone else (including you and me!) So if she was “Heavenly Father’s” daughter in the spiritual realm of pre-existence, and their God came to earth and had sex with her so she could conceive the body for Jesus to inhabit, isn’t that an incestuous relationship between their man-god and his daughter?

A question for you Mormons: Is tithing mandatory or voluntary?

I think that can be enough boggling of your mind for today!

Did He Really Say That?!?

From the days of Adam to the present, whenever the Lord has had a people on earth, temples and temple ordinances have been a crowning feature of their worship. . . . The inspired erection and proper use of temple is one of the great evidences of the divinity of the Lord’s work. . . . where these are not, the Church and kingdom and the truth of heaven are not.

Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 780-781

Notice that this is another attack on Christianity, because we don’t have the cited features.  The problem, really, is that nowhere in Scripture will you find Christians with temples and temple ordinances. And the things performed in their temples — eternal marriages, baptisms for the dead, etc — also are not found in Scripture!

The LDS is not a Christian faith. Period.

The LDS Never Attacks Christianity?

I’m continually finding citations by Mormon leaders denigrating the Christian faith, although they keep claiming that they never speak against us.  Here is another citation to prove what liars they are.

. . . All the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.”

Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p. 60

Of course the “sectarian religions” were all the various denominations of Christianity. Don’t let the Mormon missionary knocking on your door get away with the lie they don’t attack Christians.

H/T Life After Ministry.

Yes, They Really Did Say That

We learn that our Savior was born of a woman, and He was named Jesus the Christ. His name when He was a spiritual being, during the first half of the existence of the earth, before He was made flesh and blood, was Jehovah. He was in the beginning of the creation, and He had to do and has had to do continually with the creation and government of this heaven and this earth.

Franklin D. Richards, Provo, August 30, 1885, Journal of Discourses 26:300

Let’s dissect this a bit:

“He was named Jesus the Christ.”  Um, no. 

1. “Christ” is a title, an Anglicized version of the Greek Christos, which is the equivalent of the Hebrew ha mashiach, (Anglicized as “Messiah”), which means “anointed one” or “chosen one.” This was NEVER part of Jesus’ name, rather it was a title ascribed to him.

2. “Jesus” is an Anglicized version of the Greek “Yesous”, which is a translation of the Hebrew “Yeshua,” or “Joshua.” The Hebrew name means “to deliver” or “to rescue,” hence, “savior.”

Since Smith was supposedly translating from “Reformed Egyptian” why didn’t he end up with the more precise Anglicized name “Joshua,” especially since he was bringing back a “restoration” of the original church?

3. “His name when He was a spiritual being…before He was made flesh and blood, was Jehovah.” For this one I will refer you to More Confusion on Jesus’ Name.

This is just another example proving that the Mormon Church is a fraud, invented by Joseph Smith.