Random Articles About The Latter-day Saints

The first three articles for today are at Mormon Coffee, the blog of Mormonism Research Ministry.

First, here is a video which demonstrates the real differences between Biblical/Christian salvation and Mormon “eternal life.”  The former is real while the later is non-existent.

You really have to feel sorry for those deceived Mormons. They all look to their temples, and desire to be able to be temple worthy — especially those who want to be married “eternally” in their temples.  But, the list of requirements necessary to qualify makes it very difficult to get a “temple recommend”.  Consequently, a huge majority of LDS members will never have the opportunity to attend any service or work in a temple.  This is why there are HUGE numbers of Mormons who visit new temples before they’ve been consecrated (they are also open to the public for tours, and I toured the Nauvoo Temple in 2002).  The carrot is always there, but never able to be eaten by these people.  How sad for them never to fulfill their religious desires — and how sad that they don’t realize that this is just a part of their false belief system which keeps them from real salvation.

Very, very interesting story about the whole history behind the Book of Mormon plates.  It’s a 46-minute video, but well worth it.   How Mormons can watch this story and not understand the fraudulent nature of the BOM story and the entire lie of the LDS church is beyond me.  They remain deceived because they are invested in the lie and can’t admit they’ve been had.

The sad fact of the Mormon view of salvation is that it is extremely complex, and one can really never know if they are saved.  Midwest Christian Outreach apologetics ministry for many years has a good almost quarterly journal, one of the issues of which had an excellent article on the LDS salvation teaching.  It is now on-line here.

Of course for the LDS, the “First Vision” is the foundation of their belief system.  If that “First Vision” never happened, then their entire system is fraudulent.  I’ve give brief examinations into the “First Vision” story in previous articles, demonstrating how many versions of the “First Vision” there really are, which alone demonstrates it was made up years after the fact.  The Utah Lighthouse Ministry has a good synopsis of the “Evolution of the First Vision and Teaching on God in Early Mormonism.”

One has to wonder why the Mormon Church is now releasing photos of Joseph Smith’s “seer stone.”  I guess they don’t see a problem with Smith needing an occultic device for “translating” the Book of Mormon.  I’d sure like them to give a biblical example where a seer stone is used by any of God’s people.

Mormons are always asking people to read the Book of Mormon and then pray to God about it to see if it is true.  I’ve always said that is analogous to praying to God to see if it is okay to commit adultery.  This article tells you why we should NOT pray about it.

How To Handle Demons

Now I will tell you, I have about a hundred shots on hand all the time -- three or four fifteen shooters and three or four revolvers, right here in the room where I sleep; and the Devil does not like to sleep there, for he is afraid they will go off half-cocked.

If you will lay a bowie knife or a loaded revolver under your pillow every night, you will not have many unpleasant dreams, nor be troubled with the nightmare; for there is nothing that the Devil is so much afraid of as a weapon of death.

President Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p.164.  Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.190


Wow, Satan is easily overthrown by mere pistols and knives!  Who'd a-thunk!

Did They Really Say That?!?

If our Father and God should be disposed to walk through one of these aisles [SLC Tabernacle], we should not know him from one of the congregation.  You would see a man.

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, pg.40. Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.186

I don't know about you, but I want to worship a God who is different from me!

Compressed Spirits Forget Pre-Existent Past

“When all these spirits [of God’s heaven-born spirit children] were sent forth from the eternal worlds, they were, no doubt, not infants; but when they entered into the infant tabernacle [body], they were under necessity, the same as our Lord and Savior, of being compressed, or diminished in size so that their spirits could be enclosed in infant tabernacles.

When Jesus was born into our world, His previous knowledge was taken from Him.  This was occasioned by His spiritual body being compressed into a smaller volume than it originally occupied. . . .  When this spirit was compressed, so as to be wholly enclosed in an infant tabernacle, it had a tendency to suspend memory. . . .

So it is with man.  When he enters a body of flesh, his spirit is so compressed and contracted in infancy that he forgets his former existence.”

Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, pg.334. Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.186

Spirits, having no real dimension, do not need to be compressed or compacted to fit anywhere.  And what biblical evidence do they have for any of this nonsense, especially since the Bible denies spiritual pre-existence (1 Cor. 15:44-46 — natural FIRST!)?  This story was obviously concocted to respond to questions about why we don’t remember pre-existing.

The convoluted stories cultists have to come up with to defend their false beliefs can be downright humorous!

Did They Really Say That?!?

Adam was an immortal being when he came on this earth.  He had lived on an earth similar to ours, he had received the Priesthood and the Keys thereof, and he had been faithful in all things and gained his resurrection and his exaltation and was crowned with glory, immortality and eternal lives and was numbered with the Gods for such he became through his faithfulness. And he had begotten all the spirits that were to come to this earth.  And Eve, our common mother, who is the mother of all living, bore these spirits in the Celestial world, and then this earth was organized by Elohim, Jehovah, and Michael, who is Adam, our common Father.  Adam and Eve had the privilege to continue the work of progression, consequently came to this earth and commenced the great work of forming tabernacles for those spirits to dwell in.

L. John Nuttall Journal, 7 February 1877, 1:19 as recorded in Michael/Adam by Ogden Kraut.  Nuttall was Brigham Young’s secretary and one of his closest friends.  Cited in “Mormonism, Mama & Me,” by Thelma “Granny” Geer, p.185

This is plainly the teaching of the Adam-God doctrine which the LDS claim was just Brigham Young’s idea and not from God.  Of course Young said he got the teaching from God, but I guess that doesn’t count when one is embarrassed by the teaching. 

So the current theology of the LDS has God the Father as the origin of all the spirits, whereas here we see it is Adam who is the origin.  Additionally, whereas Michael in the Bible is an angel, which is a separate creation than man, this teaching has a man — Adam — being also Michael!

Notice how Adam had to work his way to godhood, and they previously lived on another planet.  The Bible knows absolutely NOTHING about such nonsense.  This teaching is about as convoluted as it gets.

Round Up of Recent “Mormon Coffee” Articles

I haven’t had a chance to post new stuff, and here it is already time for the best of the most recent Mormon Coffee articles.

Does the Mormon Church teach that Jesus was married?  Definitely.  BUT, as with so many doctrines which embarrass them now, this is one which is denied.

What is the real Mormon view of the bible?

I was amused by this question:  “How was Joseph Smith’s seer stone like a smart phone?”

What defines Mormonism as a cult in relation to Christianity?

Read why Isaac Hale was not happy even seven years after Joseph Smith took off with his daughter against his wishes.

Mormons often fall in love with stories told by the Mormon Church, which are to help them in their faith.  The problem is, the Church doesn’t tell their members that these stories are not always true.

Brigham Young’s test of a prophet does not agree with the Bible’s test.

Mormon Christ Is Not Real

If the Christ of a Mormon is not the one true God (John 17:3) who is eternal (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8-12; 5:6; 13:8), the object of worship is a creature and worship itself becomes idolatry.  If the Christ of a Mormon is a spirit-child who has been procreated -- like countless other spirit children by the flesh-and-bone Father and one of his wives -- then he is not uniquely of the same nature as the Father, as Bible and the historic church teach.  If the [Mormon] Christ is our finite brother, not different in kind from us, he is therefore not uniquely Immanuel -- "God with us" (Matthew 1:23).  The Christ of the Bible is the unique God-man -- incarnate, crucified, and risen once-for-all.  Only if He was infinite God in human flesh could His blood have infinite value for the justification of all the billions of people who have ever sinned.

Gordon Lewis, cited by Ron Rhodes in, The Culting of America, p.94.

Did They Really Say That?!?

Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. . . . this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians . . . is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers, . . .  Why do we believe in and practice polygamy?  Because the Lord introduced it . . . and the Lord’s servants have always practiced it.  “And is that religion popular in heaven?”  It is the only popular religion there.

Brigham Young, Desert News, 6 August 1862

The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p.269.

So is monogamy really the invention of men?  What about Genesis 2:21-24 where God made ONE woman for Adam? See my article, “God’s View of Polygamy” for the correct information as to God’s desires.

Additionally, Jacob 1:15 in the Book of Mormon calls polygamy a “wicked practice,” and Jacob 2:24 has God saying having multiple wives and concubines is abominable.  In Jacob 2:27 it says, “For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none.”  This is reiterated in Jacob 3:5.  

So did the Mormon god change his mind?

Round Up of Recent “Mormon Coffee” Articles

Yes, it is time for another episode of reporting on the best of the most recent Mormon Coffee articles.

Is it wrong to say Mormons believe in a “different Jesus”?  No.  And their leaders have stated as much!

Following up on that one, here is an article about that “different Jesus.”

A very interesting bit of Mormon family history.

A report on a visit to Nauvoo.  I’ve been to Nauvoo several times, but it’s been a few years since my last visit.  The information I learned during my visits wasn’t as honest as this report reflects, so I’m guessing the tour guides are being affected by the fact of truth about Mormons found all over the Internet.

Mormons may not worship Joseph Smith, but which Mormon god they worship really isn’t clear.

First Presidency and Mormon racism—some contradictions.

A Mormon Sunday school teacher explained to his class the history of Mormon racism against blacks.  He was later contacted by his bishop and counseled that he was never again to teach the history of blacks and the LDS prior to 1973.  What makes this more interesting is that he used official church document for his lesson!  Mormons are embarrassed about their racist history and want to pretend it never happened.  They have told many lies to cover up facts about it.

The Mormon claims about their temples copying Solomon’s temple have surely been proven to be fabrications.

This last one isn’t from Mormon Coffee, rather it is from Janis Hutchinson, a former Mormon who is an excellent researcher on Mormonism.  This essay asks the question about what the Book of Mormon witnesses really saw.

Did They Really Say That?!?

"Gold and Silver grow, and so does every other kind of metal, the same as the hair upon my head, or the wheat in the field; they do not grow as fast, but they are all the same composing or decomposing."

Brigham Young, 9 October 1852, Journal of Discourses 1:219.


Brigham Young was supposedly a prophet of God and yet he actually believed gold, silver, and other metals grew like hair?!?!?  Would God really allow his prophets to say such things?  Of course, this is the same man who said there are people on the sun.