Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.
Joseph Smith, History of the Church 5:217-218.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.
Brigham Young, March 8, 1863, Journal of Discourses 10:110.
The descendants of Ham, besides a black skin which has ever been a curse that has followed an apostate of the holy priesthood, as well as a black heart, have been servants to both Shem and Jepheth, and the abolitionists are trying to make void the curse of God, but it will require more power than man possesses to counteract the decrees of eternal wisdom.
John Taylor, Times and Seasons, April 1, 1845, 6:857.
10 comments:
You did not publish my comment because it refutes your out of contextg quotes.
Anonymous,
I didn't post your comment because it was nonsense from a troll, and I don't post troll comments. If a person has a real discussion to make without ad hominem attacks, then I'll publish. Nothing you wrote refuted my quotes and they were not out of context.
I have plenty of evidence on this site proving the racist teaching of Mormons; just look on the list of topics on the right side of the blog and click on "racism."
Someone responded to your post. Their response is summed up as follows:
The article "Refuting LDS Racism Critiques: Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, and 19th Century Christianity Explained" addresses criticisms regarding racial views held by early leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). It emphasizes the importance of understanding these views within the broader context of 19th-century American society and Christianity.
The author critiques Glen E. Chatfield's arguments, suggesting that his use of emotional language and selective quotations may lead to misconceptions about the church's history. By focusing on isolated statements without considering the prevailing societal norms of the time, such critiques might overlook the complexities faced by religious leaders during that era.
The article encourages readers to consider the historical context when evaluating past statements and actions, acknowledging that while certain views expressed by early church leaders may be troubling by today's standards, they were influenced by the widespread beliefs and practices of their time. This perspective aims to foster a more nuanced understanding of the church's history concerning race.
In conclusion, the author advocates for a balanced approach when discussing historical critiques of the LDS Church, urging readers to engage with the broader historical context to gain a more informed perspective.
Anonymous,
For you to know anything about someone's response means you were either the troll or working with the troll.
The context of LDS Racism had nothing to do with the culture, and any Mormon articles saying otherwise are lies. Joseph Smith started the racism and he supposedly was a prophet of God and got his teachings from God.
Some good resources to prove the LDS racism and even attempts to cover it up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Ed4Ox6m1U
https://www.npr.org/2013/03/17/174559275/mormons-change-references-to-blacks-polygamy
https://watchmanvlds.blogspot.com/2014/12/mormonism-racist-religion.html
https://watchmanvlds.blogspot.com/2014/12/did-they-really-say-that_17.html
Joseph Smith's Racism:
https://blog.mrm.org/2014/02/joseph-smith-founder-of-lds-racist-scriptures-and-teachings-part-1/
https://blog.mrm.org/2014/02/joseph-smith-founder-of-lds-racist-scriptures-and-teachings-part-2/
https://blog.mrm.org/2014/02/passing-the-torch-of-mormonisms-historical-racisim/
Black skin was given as a mark of those people who were not valiant in the spiritual realm, and this black skin supposedly is a mark of who cannot hold a Mormon priesthood. Since the LDS received a revelation from God to begin allowing blacks the priesthood, how come their skin is still black?
I can bury you with evidence that LDS racism had nothing to do with culture and everything to do with Joseph Smith and the rest of the LDS "prophets."
Anonymous,
I'm not posting futher comments from you since you are just trying to defend the indefensible--the LDS cult.
It has nothing to do with emotions, just facts--which you refuse to accept.
Again, you just want to claim the racism was in the context of culture but none of the LDS "prophets" and "scholars" ever referred to culture but instead referred to revelations from God.
End of discussion.
Anonymous.
Your defense of the LDS tells me you aren't Christian, so don't use that as a reason to dialog.
I appreciate the opportunity to engage in meaningful dialogue, and I hope this message can be received with the same intention in which it is offered: with respect, humility, and a desire to foster understanding. That said, I feel it is necessary to address some of the tone and judgments expressed, as they detract from the substance of this important conversation.
First, the accusations of whether one is or is not a Christian are deeply troubling. Determining the state of someone’s faith is a matter only God can discern. None of us is in a position to pass judgment on another’s standing before Christ, as doing so risks bearing false witness—something we are explicitly cautioned against in Scripture (Exodus 20:16). When such judgments are made, they often reflect more about the one casting them than the one being judged.
It is also important to point out that a dismissive and aggressive tone, coupled with condescension, creates an impression of hypocrisy, especially when questioning someone else’s faith or Christian character. The fruit of the Spirit, as described in Galatians 5:22-23, includes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. These are the markers of genuine Christian living. When these qualities are absent in discourse, it raises legitimate concerns about whether the actions and attitudes being demonstrated align with the faith being professed.
Moreover, using someone’s faith—or perceived lack thereof—as a means to dismiss their perspective not only undermines the possibility of constructive dialogue but also contradicts Christ’s teachings. Jesus engaged with people from all walks of life, always leading with compassion, humility, and a heart open to discussion. If we are to emulate His example, we must be willing to listen and engage in conversations respectfully, even when we disagree.
Finally, I encourage all parties to approach these discussions with a spirit of humility and self-examination. Rather than focusing on whether others meet our standards of Christian integrity, we might instead ask ourselves if our own actions and attitudes reflect Christ’s love, grace, and truth. As Matthew 7:3-5 reminds us, we must first remove the plank from our own eye before addressing the speck in another’s.
Let us strive to build bridges rather than walls, seeking unity and mutual understanding as followers of Christ. This is not only a reflection of our faith but also a testimony to the world of the transformative power of His love.
In humility and grace,
Anonymous
Anonymous,
Your posts were defending the LDS against charges of racism, claiming I didn't take into account the culture at the time. My point was that racism in the LDS had nothing to do with culture and yet you still defend the LDS racism as a product of the times!!!!
Also, I went to your link and saw your assault on my rejection of comments abnd what you consider a "hostile" attitude. It's hard for me to determine it there were one or two of you with the same argument.
You claim to be a pastor and yet you DEFEND the LDS against charges of racism?!?!?
I don't not publish links to articles defending the LDS either.
I see no point in discussing this topic any further because what I posted was 100% factual and had nothing to do with the culture of the time, espeically since the racism continue up until the 1970s!!!!
In other words, you do not believe that there was no systemic racism previous, during, or after Joseph Smith's Life and that of Brigham Youn as it relates to slavery, African American's, and the utilization of the Bible to support slavery? And that the origination of the "Curse of Cain" and the "Curse of Ham" did not come from 19th Century, or earlier Christian thinking as it relates to the sustained systemic racist rhetoric perpetrated by Christian ministers and believers?
And if you claim to present facts - what evidence, outside of what you appear to claim and cite - have you actually offered?
See, these are questions your content brings up. Questions that are addressed by Timothy, and others who have studied this information out.
Have you ever considered that there is a real possibility that you actually might be wrong and misleading in what you are attempting to present?
Or, do you even bother to concern yourself with the consequence of making unfounded claims, judge people who disagree with you, and show your potential readers a serious lacking intellectual integrity and honesty in how you handle and interact with others? Are you above correction, refutation, and reproof?
From your comment - it appears you are. What a sad pathetic arrogant individual you come off as.
First, I NEVER said there weren't problems with racism in the culture back then. I stated a 100% fact that it wasn't cultural racism that made LDS racist. If you want to say Joseph Smith's racism was because of the culture, that is a possibility, but the LDS were racists because Smith said he got his racist teachings from God and all LDS presidents and prophets continued to teach racism as from God.The LDS taught hard-core racism from the 1830s to into the mid-1970s--it wasn't until 1978 that blacks could hold the priesthood and the real reason for their doctrinal change was because of sports--football, etc. Their teams were being banned because of the racism.
So the CONTEXT of LDS racism was not due to the culture of the time. And I am 100%. correct.
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