Friday, March 8, 2024

First Vision Thoughts

(For determining years and ages, remember that Joe was born 12/23/1805)


From Lucy's History:

In Joseph's 15th year a revival began.  This would make it 1820, and Joseph claimed it was the Spring of 1820. 

Joseph saw two persons: God and Jesus.  He was told to join no churches since all were wrong.


Joe began his first attempt at autobiography in either 1831 or 1832, dictating to his secretary, Frederick T. Williams.  Sometime between 20 July and 27 November 1832 Joseph said,

I cried unto the Lord for mercy, for there was none else whom I could go and obtain mercy, and the Lord heard my cry in the wilderness.  And while in the attitude of calling upon the Lord, in the 16th year of my age, a pillar of light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me.  And I was filled with the spirit of God and the Lord opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord, and he spake unto me saying,

"Joseph, my son, thy sins are forgiven thee.  Go thy way, walk in my statutes and keep my commandments.  Behold, I am the Lord of glory; I was crucified for the world that all those who believe on my name may have Eternal life.  Behold, the world lieth in sin at this time and none doeth good, no not one.  They have turned aside from the Gospel and keep not my commandments.  They draw near to me with their lips while their hearts are far from me, and mine anger is kindling against the inhabitants of the earth to visit them according to this ungodliness, and to bring to pass that which hath been spoken by the mouth of the prophets and apostles.  Behold, and lo I come quickly, as it is written of me, in the cloud clothed in the glory of my Father.

My soul was filled with love, and for many days I could rejoice with great Joy and the Lord was with me.  But [I] could find none that would believe the heavenly vision…

Joseph did not publish this account.


On 9 Nov 1835 Joseph was visited by Robert Matthias, alias "Joshua, the Jewish minister."  Joseph told him the story of his "first vision" and the account was recorded in the daily journal by Warren A. Cowdery.  After explaining about the visitor, Warren wrote the following:

The conversation soon turned upon the subject of Religion, and after the subject of this narrative [Matthias] had made some remarks concerning the bible, he [Joseph] commenced giving him a relation of the circumstances, connected with the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, which were nearly as follows.

Being wrought up in my mind respecting the subject of Religion, and looking at the different systems taught the children of men, I knew not who was right or who was wrong, but considered it of the first importance to me that I should be right, in matters of so much moment, matter involving eternal consequences.  Being thus perplexed in mind I retired to the silent grove and there bowed down before the Lord, under a realizing sense (if the bible be true) ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened, seek and you shall find, and again, if any man lack wisdom, let of God who giveth to all men liberally & upbraideth not.  Information was what I most desired at this time, and with a fixed determination to obtain it, I called on the Lord for the first time in the place above stated, or in other words, I made a fruitless attempt to pray.  My tongue seemed to be swoolen [sic] in my mouth, so that I could not utter, I heard a noise behind me like some one walking towards me.  I strove again to pray, but could not; the noise of walking seemed to draw nearer, I sprang upon my feet and looked round, but saw no person, or thing that was calculated to produce the noise of walking.  I kneeled again, my mouth was opened and my tongue loosed; I called on the Lord in mighty prayer.  A pillar of fire appeared above my head; which presently rested down upon me, and filled me with unspeakable joy.  A personage appeared in the midst of this pillar of flame, which was spread all around and yet nothing consumed.  Another personage soon appeared like unto the first: he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee.  He testified also unto me that Jesus Christ is the son of God.  I saw many angels in this vision.  I was about 14 years old when I received this first communication.


In 1838 Joseph dictated a version of the 1st vision which is the official version.  It is in History of the Church, Vol. 1, pp. 5-7.  He stated he was 14 and troubled by the religious revivals, and went into the woods to seek guidance from the Lord.

It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.... I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God.  I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak.  Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.  But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction - not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being - just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.

It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound.  When the light  rested upon me I saw two personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air.  One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said - pointing to the other - 'This is my beloved Son, hear Him.’

My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join.  No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able o speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join.  I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt; that 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; they teach for doctrines the commandments of men: having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'  He again forbade me to join with any of them: and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.  When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven.


PROBLEMS:


1.  Joe's 1834 autobiography did not mention any visions.


2.  If vision took place in 1820, why did Joe, Hyrum and Samuel still attend the Presbyterian Church as late as 1828?

3.  Lucy's letter to her brother in 1831 gave full details of the Book of Mormon yet never mentioned its origin.


4.  There are no contemporary news accounts.


5.  1834 Mormon History published by Joe and Oliver Cowdery mentions no visions until 1823 when the angel Moroni directed Joseph to the hidden plates.


6.  From 1823 to 1827 was Joe's most intensive money-digging time.

Thursday, March 7, 2024

Oh, Really?!?

We do not have to prove the Book of Mormon is true. The book is its own proof. All we need to do is read it and declare it! The Book of Mormon is not on trial—the people of the world, including the members of the Church, are on trial as to what they will do with this second witness for Christ.

The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg. 63


Joseph Smith claimed he received ancient metal plates with “reformed Egyptian” writing on them, from an angel named Moroni. No one witnessed this event and later witnesses who claimed they saw the plates later recanted. And there is no such language as “reformed Egyptian” anywhere in the world.


A large percentage of The Book of Mormon is plagiarized directly from the KJV Bible and the rest is made up stories that have no evidence for them.


There are plenty of archaeological discoveries to verify what both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, as well as geological and geographical evidence. However, there are no archaeological, geographical or geological evidences for the Book of Mormon. NONE!


So with absolutely no supporting evidence, we are to just accept a document supposedly translated from a fake language into English?!? Anyone can write any “historical/religious” story and then claim that said book is its own proof of its veracity as to the religion and history but that is an illogical and irrational claim. 


Then to say that the LDS members are on trial for what they do with this fraudulent book is just as irrational, because it is NOT any “second witness for Christ.” It is not a witness for anything except the some man made up a story and wrote it down.


Unlike the evidence for the Bible, there is nothing in history or archaeology to show how the Book of Mormon talks about real people, real places, and especially real events. It is nothing less than a book requiring total faith because the evidence just doesn’t correspond.

Eric Johnson, Discoveries provide abundant evidence of Bible’s reliability. Published in Mormonism Researched, March-April 2024.

Saturday, March 2, 2024

A Collection of Goodies Exposing the False Teachings of the LDS


Debunking the LDS claim that there are 40,000 Christian denominations. 


10 Reasons to Reject the First Vision of Joseph Smith



These remaining links I am sharing from Life After Ministry.


Robbing their members by mandatory “tithes.”


Salvation through Joseph Smith?!?


I just love Mormon contradictions. Here we have contradictions about slavery.


Joe Smith gave his life for us? No, he died in a shoot-out!


So, if there are no prophets available, there is no salvation through Jesus? Talk about blasphemy!


The Book of Mormon is filled “with lying signs and wonders.


Why does the LDS Canon still have racist doctrines?


Brigham Young’s God is Joseph Smith!


What’s with the Mormon ambiguity with the Bible?


This is one of the worst heresies I’ve seen with the LDS: Jesus was crucified because he was polygamous!?!?


The LDS Jesus and Satan competition in heaven proves they are not a Christian faith.


Thursday, February 15, 2024

Do YOU Still Think?

He [Lucifer] wins a great victory when he can get members of the Church to speak against the leaders and do “their own thinking.” He specializes in suggesting that our leaders are in error while he plays the blinding rays of apostasy in the eyes of those whom he beguiles. What cunning! And to think that some of our members are deceived by this trickery…. When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan—it is God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy.


Ward Teachers’ Message, Improvement Era, June 1945, 354. Cited in the article “Cultic Characteristics in Mormonism," by Sharon Lindbloom (with her brackets and ellipsis) in the January-February 2024 issue of Mormonism Researched.


So a Mormon is never to investigate to discern truth from error? So a Mormon can never question the teachings of leaders? This definitely proves that the LDS is a CULT which brainwashes its members.

Saturday, February 10, 2024

Did He Really Say That?!?

From the day that the priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up things of all things, every man and every woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are — I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent.


Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7: 238


The priesthood was ended with Jesus Christ as our eternal priest (Hebrews 7-10). Therefore neither the LDS, nor anyone else, has a priesthood. 


CHRIST died for our sins—NOT Joseph Smith.  No one on earth has authority to provide a certificate or “passport” to heaven and no one has to get consent from anyone on earth to have eternal life with Christ.

Friday, January 19, 2024

A Lie From Hell

The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal with God himself.


Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg.353.


The REAL God of the Bible is omniscient — all knowing. To say mankind is equal to God in knowledge is very high hubris, as well as being a lie straight from the pit of hell. Man’s knowledge is limited—God’s is not. Only a fool would believe otherwise.


H/T Life After Ministry.

Saturday, January 13, 2024

Monogamy Unbiblical?

Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is not part of the economy of Heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman Empire. That empire was founded on the banks of the Tiber by wandering brigands. When these robbers founded the city of Rome, it was evident to them that their success in attaining a balance of power with their neighbours, depended upon introducing females into their body politic, so the stole them from the Sabines, where were their near neighbours. The scarcity of women gave existence to laws restricting one wife to one man. Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers.


Brigham Young, 6 July 1862, Journal of Discourses 9:322


Young wants to deny history as well as the Bible. God's intent was for ONE wife or he would have given Adam more than one. Genesis 2:23-24:


And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


Notice he said the two shall be ONE flesh. In every instance in Scripture where a man has more than one wife, strife becomes part of their lives. In Deuteronomy 17 God tells His people that when they have a king, the king should not have many wives. This was centuries before the Roman empire and Young's story is nothing but 100% fiction not supported by actual history.


The truth is that Joseph Smith started the law of polygamy (claiming he got it from God) because he was caught having an affair way back when in Ohio; he was a womanizer and suddenly needed a word from God to excuse his sin of adultery and to allow him to pile of sexual conquests even with women already married to other men. Brigham Young was just as much a womanizer and follower on Smith's heel collecting multiple sexual conquests.


IF the prophecy truly came from God, mankind's rules would have no effect.